Reddit vs Riot: Drama over female-only League of Legends PAX seminars

Riot Games and Reddit battle over female-only League of Legends seminars at PAX West
[Update: Riot employees have responded to the controversy]

Another day, another controversy at Riot Games. This time the company is in a battle with the League of Legends Reddit community regarding sexism and the gender debate. For those that are plugged in, they might recall a recent article at Kotaku that delved into the company’s issue with misogyny and sexism. It seems that Riot’s response to this debacle was to target women in a positive way and present them with professional opportunities. The League of Legends presentation at PAX West this year was to include a room specifically for professional seminars. The issue here arose when people noticed that the seminars were only open to women and “non-binary folk.” No men allowed.

PAX West

As taken from Riot’s official release regarding the event:

Right next door in Room 613 we’re hosting a variety of sessions to support women and non-binary folks who are interested in getting into games professionally.

Site commenter Raharu asked for clarification on the matter:

Are the game development and career presentations exclusive to women and non-binary folks? I am deeply interested in the subject matter and meeting Rioters is always fun, but I am neither a woman or non-binary. Am I still welcome to check these events out?

To which SwimBananas responded:

The first two events of room 613 will be only open to women and nonbinary folks (there might be some exceptions. I will try and post on Twitter the sechedule everyday). However, all the activities of the room will be open to all after 3pm, including the “Ask a Rito” time. 😀

She also sent out a tweet with the same clarification:

Please note: until 2:30 room 613 is only open for women and nonbinary folks. We welcome all to join the room after 2:30 😀

League of Legends community reaction

Since this discovery yesterday, Reddit has been up in arms. Many commenters believe that Riot is responding to sexism with more sexism. That in the process of trying to patch up one issue, the company is creating an even bigger one. From the original Reddit thread on the topic, user JakeyYNG commented, “For shooting themselves in the right foot, they decided to shoot themselves in left for good measure.”

Another user, throw13away1389, spoke about the larger issue with Riot’s seminar: “But now because I have a dick, I’m behind the curve instead of just empowering women and encouraging more women to attend events in general. The answer to gender equality isn’t to start hindering men till activists think ‘we are even.’ It’s about inclusion, not exclusion.”

Steve_Pays_Me, a female user, vented her frustration as well: “I am a woman and I am just sitting here going… what… the… fuck? Who ok’d this??? Riot, this isn’t how you do things. You have a session titled LGBT/women in gaming, paneled by women, LGBT and your most senior people at the event and make it available to everyone. What if someone’s sister or shy girlfriend cant make it to PAX so they have a dude attend for them and take notes?”

Much of the community’s frustration came from the fact that many of the seminars being held in Room 613 contain a lot of valuable information for people looking to break into the industry. As broken down in the official release, the day begins with a 1-on-1 resume review session. Many people have said that they wouldn’t have a problem with the schedule if this was the only aspect of the day limited to females only. But after the resume review session, there are also presentations covering the following topics:

  • Art + Champions/Skins Design

  • How to be a Producer

  • Narrative Writing

  • Production Careers

  • Game Design

  • Advanced Cosplay

This is where the community’s main gripe lies. None of these presentations are open to men and only females and individuals who identify as “non-binary” will be allowed to attend. Replying to a commenter who mentioned that the only truly interesting topics were being covered in the closed session, user ArchmageXin pointed out: “Hey, we get to see female cosplayers in scantily clad costumes for five hours instead. Tells you what Riot really think of men. Ha. I feel Riot would had much less of a headache if they held two sessions of the same thing, one for general audience and one for ‘protected classes.'”

Many people in the thread sarcastically suggested for men looking to attend the seminar to simply claim that they consider themselves non-binary. But this creates another problem. As Kestrel21 mentioned, “I call myself straight and male and I don’t see why I should have to present myself as something else just to access a room, as if being the combination of the two above somehow lessens me as a person.”

Riot’s Daniel Klein lashes out

With such a large outcry from the community, it was only a matter of time before Riot responded. And boy, did Riot respond.

One of the champions designed by Daniel Klein, Taliyah

While the community’s main focus yesterday was on the game’s PAX presentation itself, the flavor of today has been all about how poorly Riot has responded to the situation. The day opened up with the top /r/LeagueOfLegends thread discussing the twitter rant of Daniel Z. Klein (aka ZenonTheStoic), a systems designer at Riot Games responsible for champions like Taliyah and Kayn.

This reddit thread about some events we’re hosting at PAX being open to women and non-binary people only was just as much of a toxic landfill as I expected it to be… So let’s talk about this for a little bit!

The most commonly thrown around arguments are that this is being sexist against men, just like racism, and that you can’t fix a problem by doing the opposite of what that problem is. Cool. That’s all bullshit. Systemic sexism and racism exist at the intersection of bigotry and power dynamics. Racism isn’t just being called the n-word, it’s that + no one caring when you protest + not being given a loan a white person would have gotten + being shot by the police for no reason.

The reason that “sexism against men” makes no sense as a concept is that men have the power. They’re privileged in so many ways, from small invisible things, to large, outrageous things (like a confessed abuser and harasser like Louis CK can just have a comeback and that’s fine).

Men are RIDICULOUSLY over-represented in gaming; they’re listened to when women are ignored, promoted when women are passed over, lauded for speaking out when women are being called “difficult to work with”. I imagine the same power dynamics apply to cosplay and fan events. I’m sure women are objectified and harassed, both verbally and with unwanted physical contact. I’m sure they’re spoken over and made to feel unwelcome at events like these.

So yes, in the interest of justice, equality, and fairness, men need to be excluded sometimes. That’s perfectly fine. Trust me, you’ll have about a billion other opportunities that these women won’t have. But no, you have to be absolute overgrown toddlers and throw hissy fits.

When one group has too much and one has too little, some must be taken from the group that has too much. That sucks, and if you’re used to being catered to your entire life and always being made to feel like the most special boy in the room, the above will be your reaction. If you’ve never had to think about this for a minute in your life, congratulations, you’re privileged as fuck and have been benefiting from a system that makes the lives of other people hell. I sincerely hope these manbabies crying in that thread will grow up some day.

But I know most of them won’t. That’s their choice. My choice? My choice is to reject them from my spaces. They’re not welcome here, they’re not welcome in gaming anymore. To strive towards justice, we sometimes have to be harsh and exclusionary. And that’s okay. If they want to be welcome, hey, they could try not being absolute assholes to women. Also maybe not equating “not being allowed to attend part of a gaming event” with “having to sit in the back of the bus”.

– Daniel “ZenonTheStoic” Klein (@danielzklein)

Klein’s comments may have been received differently if they weren’t riddled with so many insults towards the Reddit community. During an obviously frustrated tirade, he made blanket statements to paint everybody in those threads as misogynistic, discrediting the community’s opinions as a whole on the basis that anybody who disagrees with the company’s choices at PAX is “privileged as fuck”, “an overgrown toddler” and “an asshole to women.”

Unsurprisingly, the top Reddit thread of the morning was titled, “Has no one else noticed that Daniel Z Klein is calling the league community here “manbabies” for discussing the issue at PAX?”

Prior to being removed and locked, the original thread showed as follows:

Reddit screenshot of RiotDaniel Klein's comments regarding female-only League of Legends seminars at PAX West

Klein himself actually responded in that thread, doubling down on the thoughts he vocalized on twitter:

Daniel Klein responds to reddit thread discussing his twitter rampage

Furthermore, a Twitter user going by the handle of @NightZora wrote several tweets in response to Klein’s rant in an effort to keep the conversation going. The full thread can be read here. While Zora agreed with Riot’s initiative to appeal to female prospects, they also thought that exclusion wasn’t the answer.

I just want to emphasize that this is a welcomed change. But to ignore that sexism doesn’t go both ways is ignorant in itself. I apologize if I do trigger people, but I believe opportunity for those that don’t get a chance should happen: women, non-binary and men… everyone

To which Klein bluntly responded:

Fuck off and sea lion somewhere else.

There seems to be a definite issue at Riot Games when it comes to the culture of their employees and the complete disregard for professional etiquette when they address the community. Less than a year ago, Riot Sanjuro was sacked by the company for obscene comments he made about popular streamer, Tyler1. Even just yesterday, Riot very narrowly avoided another small PR disaster when a Rioter’s account was found harassing players in game lobbies and it was discovered that the account had been compromised.

Klein may have a valid point somewhere in that twitter rampage. Unfortunately, it will likely be overlooked because of the manner in which it was delivered.

Rusty and Froskurinn speak up

Daniel Klein wasn’t the only public figure associated with Riot to speak on the matter. League of Legends shoutcasters Rusty and Froskurinn also had some strong opinions on the situation.

This isn’t sexism because men can’t be included. It isn’t racism to support the Black Lives Matter campaign either. It’s providing a unique opportunity for those who dont get them. Empowering!

Just because you as a white male aren’t included in something doesn’t make it unfair, it’s supporting those who don’t get the same opportunity you do. Sometimes it’s fine to take the L for the greater good my friends. Sometimes it’s fine to just love and support people for who they are, and miss out on a panel or two.

Is it ok for charity to only go to the poor? Or is that discrimination because everyone else doesn’t receive charity?

– Zack “Rusty” Pye (@RustyLOL) | Twitter Links: (1)(2)(3)

Froskurinn

While Rusty at least attempted to maintain a level head, his co-caster, Froskurinn, had some more pointed words in a series of tweets targeted at the “white cis-male”:

Minorities walk through this white cis-male controlled world not knowing the [privilege] and entitlement that absolute inclusion creates. By [facilitating] spaces for them it helps give opportunity and balance to discussions with a welcoming space. This is not a personal attack to you.

When you’re so used to hot water and yours goes out, you become enraged. You call up your landlord and demand it be fixed. Meanwhile, those in countries without water approach the tap each day and are overjoyed when they discover it. Men are entitled to their inclusion.

There are still an abundance of spaces still entirely composed of just straight white cis-males. A space designed to be inclusive of just women and non-binary that encourages their specific voices is needed since they’ve been drowned out.

White men [control] the world. This is not us vs them. This is a space for women and non-binary to be heard and feel confident speaking and engaging. It’s just about women and non-binary people to feel included with a designated space.

White men believe that just because there’s no sign on the door that explicitly says “no girls allowed” that they haven’t consciously and subconsciously controlled the system to put up the sign anyway. And they’ve been doing it for hundreds of years.

– Indiana “Froskurinn” Black (@Froskurinn) | Twitter Links: (1)(2)(3)(4)(5)

Forskurinn also had a tweet pointed directly at /r/LeagueOfLegends:

Once again, as anyone could have predicted, Reddit had some very strong opinions about that comment.

It’s clear that this is an emotional and volatile topic on both sides. Riot feels completely justified in hosting seminars exclusive to certain groups on the basis that their inclusion is important to the industry. The community also feels completely justified in their outrage over that decision on the basis that inclusion of some shouldn’t be based on the exclusion of others.

Something tells me that this isn’t the last we’ve heard on this topic. We’ll keep a close eye on the situation and keep all of you posted along the way.

141 Comments

  1. Jairryen

    September 1, 2018 at 9:24 pm

    Riot employees are acting like babies, how surprising.

  2. Taha Zaidi

    September 1, 2018 at 11:06 pm

    There’s also wild inconsistency from one company rep to the other. Daniel Klein rips on people for comparing the exclusion of men at the event to black individuals being forced to sit at the back of the bus. Meanwhile, Froskurinn compares women not being represented enough in gaming with people in third world countries living without good water.

    Once again, Riot’s mishandling of a situation has become a bigger story than the situation itself.

  3. CJD

    September 2, 2018 at 12:00 am

    But you guys are glossing over how disgustingly misinformed our male community is?

    Okay.

    Uh oh yeah Zenon didn’t make that bus comparison that’s actually the words of one of the angry male players.

    #Reading is hard though I guess

  4. CJD

    September 2, 2018 at 12:11 am

    lmao you mean like most of the community??/

    How surprising.

  5. Cameron Willadsen

    September 2, 2018 at 1:21 am

    Shitty manbabies cry that they got called out on their shit, proceeds to run to reddit to cry and stamp their feet. News at 11.

  6. Carmel Clune

    September 1, 2018 at 10:25 pm

    It’s very interesting to me that Riot employees somehow brought race into this when it never had anything to do with race?

  7. Ziko577

    September 2, 2018 at 2:42 am

    You wonder why the company is in the mess it’s in nowadays? Clearly this has been an issue for years and they won’t be sorry until Tencent parts ways with them and they lose their positions soon. I really don’t see this getting better.

  8. Joshua Davis

    September 2, 2018 at 3:54 am

    Lol, what?

  9. Aurious

    September 2, 2018 at 4:12 am

    Fuck Sjw’s, they are infecting everything

  10. Viraldi

    September 2, 2018 at 12:24 am

    So basement dwelling white cis male incels create Riot Games and consist most of the fanbase but with our new Chief Diversity Officer recruits we will cater to an untapped audience that had nothing to do with its success in the first place and to make sure the original playerbase must change their culture to welcome the few.

    You can sniff the penis envy from Froskurinn but with her beak of that size and rainbow Cockatoo hair you just need to have a quick look. The salary they both receive are not possible without these manbabies who are the bulk of the players throwing their money into a game. If you want to know which side Riot chose or agrees with you can guess by how they budget things every year.

  11. Sukhoi

    September 2, 2018 at 4:44 am

    I’ve found 40 Rioters who have indicated their support for this that I know of, and only 1 dissenting. Most retweeting or liking Daniel Klein’s thread, Morello’s, Chris Pollock’s, or Kien Lam’s. Many of them speaking up themselves and saying that they agree with Daniel Klein and that the Reddit threads are full of nothing but garbage.

    I can give you the list of the ones I saw if you’d like.

  12. White Knight

    September 2, 2018 at 5:01 am

    >It wasn’t until then that everyone realized its not that we didn’t like women, but women on average didn’t like coding. It’s no different at Riot Games.

    Bingo. During my studies in Comp. Sci. before I switched majors I literally only ever saw 5 women in my groups, 3 who where in the same major path and 2 others who joined a coding class as an elective. Even then the population of the Comp Sci department was easily 95/5. What is there to do? Force them to be on these career paths? If they don’t want to, they don’t want to. It’s not the fault of males there’s little representation of females in the industry. Even one of my professors was a very distinguished woman who worked hard and had great classes, by my third year she actually became the Head of the Math department that manages all math and Comp Sci classes.

    How is it our fault that that the other gender just doesn’t want to be in the same career if they never even chase that education in the first place?

  13. Brian Taylor

    September 2, 2018 at 4:14 am

    As a former hiring manager I can tell you this bout the situation.

    First it’s not a good idea to openly insult 90% of your client base. Electronic Arts and Lucas films did something similar and they lost millions of dollars in revenue because of it. Raising valid concerns that effect the majority of your player base is something you want to take seriously, not attack. Men in general have no trouble speaking with their wallet. I just hope Mr. Klein and other Riot employees didn’t cost their company too much with their pointed words.

    Second, it’s always best to address issues like this with facts and not emotion. For those that don’t know to be employed at Riot Games you need to have experience playing games like League of Legends. It’s literally written in their requirements and has been for years. Over 90% of their player base is male and the remainder is female, this alone debunks Mr. Klein’s ridiculous statement that “Men are over represented in gaming.” It only appears that way because on average there are more men that game than women. That’s not by accident, that’s by choice.

    Third. As a hiring manager I’ve seen this exact scenario play out over the course of 5 years. A software company I worked for had a large number of males in the work force. Non-credible claims of sexism surfaced via social media and not our HR department (mostly female). Although it was strange, the hire ups thought it would be a good idea to have women only events to up recruitment. Half a decade later we had the same number of women apply when we had events that didn’t have gender restriction. It wasn’t until then that everyone realized its not that we didn’t like women, but women on average didn’t like coding. It’s no different at Riot Games.

  14. Skogrin

    September 2, 2018 at 8:17 am

    people forget that 95% of the customers of video games and media consumers are men, so why should we listen to the minority ?

  15. Wrath

    September 2, 2018 at 4:36 am

    Something so many people seem to forget. Gaming is a choice and a lot of women simply just don’t have the interest. If men just stopped playing league and moved to something else they’d really be in trouble.

  16. Denworath

    September 2, 2018 at 3:17 pm

    Reddit flames Riot for being sexist towards women

    Reddit flames Riot for being sexist towards men

    Froskurinn flames Reddit for not letting Riot be sexist towards men

  17. Ragnar_Rahl

    September 2, 2018 at 4:38 pm

    “Reddit: Sexism against women is bad.
    Also Reddit: Sexism against men is bad.”
    Gee Reddit, make up your mind or something.

  18. Keichi Morisato

    September 2, 2018 at 8:41 pm

    reddit is made of us a diverse groups of people with varrying political and ideological beliefs, so that statement is bad.

  19. Keichi Morisato

    September 2, 2018 at 8:51 pm

    i do think that young boys need a space to call their own, that WAS the Boy Scouts, but that was changed… groups of people do need their own spaces, but employment opportunities and seminars shouldn’t be one of them.

  20. Keichi Morisato

    September 2, 2018 at 8:55 pm

    i hate it when companies do this… they justify their own hate by riling up young white males purposefully, and then pointing at them to say “look see this is the hate i am trying to combat by being a an asshole”.

  21. Isaac Hudson

    September 2, 2018 at 10:13 pm

    I don’t like how you lump everyone together. I’m part of ‘the left’, but my point was that I don’t agree with ‘reverse bigotry’.

    I completely support being vocal and active about challenging issues.

    I honestly think you’ve taken the point of my post and gone a little too far with it – just like the reverse bigotry I oppose.

  22. Keichi Morisato

    September 2, 2018 at 10:22 pm

    sorry, i meant the extreme left specifically. personally, i am left leaning as well, incredibly left leaning. i am just aggravated at certain groups on the extreme/far left and the hand that they have had in the rise of the extreme/far right.

  23. Isaac Hudson

    September 2, 2018 at 7:56 pm

    I’ve never thought it was ok to be bigoted (racist, sexist, etc) against the majority just because the minority suffers.

    For example, watch a black american comedian. From what I’ve seen, nearly all of them are making money attacking white people. I watched some of a Chris Rock gig on netflix and I was shocked – if a white person did the same thing about black people they’d be publicly crucified. Damon Wayans was the same.

    I’ve encountered something similar in my (very left-leaning) political party of choice, where minorities are given speaking priority over white cis-gender people in members meetings. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, like I’m a second-class citizen for who I was born as.

    I don’t think double standards do anyone any favours.

  24. sh4dow83

    September 2, 2018 at 8:26 pm

    Damn, those feminists are full of it…

    By their logic, the old gentleman’s clubs were absolutely right in arguing that they want to create space where “men can be men”.
    But I guess that’s different because that was not in the interest of women. Which is apparently the only thing that matters.

    Which brings me to that nonsense of “white men controlling the world” – something I find most commonly said by privileged females who are absolutely ignorant about the enormous benefits their vaginas have earned them. I have NEVER met a woman without a decent social environment. Because everyone wants women around. Men? Worthless, disgusting, replaceable.
    See e.g. a joke from HIMYM: (in a bar) “Eh, men are like the subway – you just wait 5 minutes and the next one will come around”. A joke that only makes sense in a society dominated by women.
    One could also look into various Tinder experiments. Also quite indicative of the value of men in our society… (But of course the results are still usually somehow framed in a “women are the victims” narrative)

    (All of which is not to disregard the fact that l am aware of anti-female behavior among gamers or more broadly tech people. I don’t feel at home in this scene precisely because of such narrow-minded crap. But… in my opinion, it still doesn’t justify segregation and anti-male behavior. I don’t tolerate sexism in either direction.)

  25. Keichi Morisato

    September 2, 2018 at 8:45 pm

    double standards like this only serve to create resentment, and push those very people to the very thing that they others are trying to get rid of. the reason the for the rise of the extreme right is because of the extreme left has been constantly insulting white males, and those white males don’t feel like they belong in society, with good reason, because they are literally told that they don’t belong because of their gender and race. then the left wonders why the extreme right rises up. hell the whole riot and death in Charlotteville could have been completely avoided if the left are far more respectful towards white males, never wanted to get rid of the statues, and also if Antifa hadn’t decided that they were going to attack them. had Antifa never gotten involved, the extreme right would have done their rally, and left. the best way to deal with the extreme right is to be respectful to young white males, and to simply ignore the extreme right. i don’t say “alt-right” because the real meaning of that was changed in order to character assassinate gay and black people from being conservatives. Alt-Right was originally a term to describe someone who wasn’t what one would traditionally consider a conservative republican, like a gay or trans person. the extreme left associated it with white supremacy in order to conflate those people with an extremist movement, which only pushed many of those people towards those extremist movements, sadly.

  26. Reza Gerami

    September 3, 2018 at 1:37 am

    If you can’t attract women and NBs without barring men from entering the room, you seriously need to figure out a new approach to hiring.

  27. Zerotaku

    September 3, 2018 at 12:28 am

    I think what he was trying to say was that Reddit thinks Sexism itself is bad and that it’s funny that anyone would take offense to that.

  28. Vesalius

    September 3, 2018 at 6:34 am

    This is absolutely hilarious. Maybe they should hire an actual PR person to interact with the public rather than doing it themselves.

  29. Vesalius

    September 3, 2018 at 6:33 am

    This is absolutely hilarious. Maybe they should hire an actual PR person to interact with the public rather than doing it themselves.

  30. Alexa Danielle Bresee

    September 3, 2018 at 10:36 am

    ” Over 90% of their player base is male and the remainder is female, this
    alone debunks Mr. Klein’s ridiculous statement that “Men are over
    represented in gaming.” It only appears that way because on average
    there are more men that game than women.” What??? that’s EXACTLY what he’s talking about when he says men are overrepresented

  31. Alexa Danielle Bresee

    September 3, 2018 at 10:37 am

    you think that women are collectively choosing not to play these games as much or to learn coding as much, just … for no real reason? a coincidence? each individual woman making isolated decisions that coincidentally work out this way?

    you don’t think there might be some kind of systemic root cause for that, maybe?

  32. Michael Cortorreal

    September 3, 2018 at 7:10 am

    Well… Time to see Riot Games stock fall flat thanks to this issue plus losing money from support of their own community, that community that engages with the game and buys the skin.
    Also, some people will get fired for sure. It’s sad this has happened, guess there are reasons for all of this but this indeed shouldn’t happened.

  33. helldraco

    September 3, 2018 at 11:49 am

    You.are.so.out.of.reality …

    Like for more than 15 years at least …

  34. Dane Ford

    September 3, 2018 at 2:14 pm

    No. Over representation is when you have 50% of gamers being male, while 90% of game developers are male. If 90% of gamers are male, and 90% of developers are male, that’s parity. It’s to be expected.

    On a side note, I don’t like how they’re doing this, but I understand why. /shrug

  35. Wookiee_hairem

    September 3, 2018 at 2:16 pm

    Such as?

  36. Wookiee_hairem

    September 3, 2018 at 2:30 pm

    As someone on the other side of the aisle, i greatly respect what both of you have just said, thank you for saying it.

  37. Alexa Danielle Bresee

    September 3, 2018 at 3:04 pm

    it’s not, but the problem is both in the player base and in their company — they most directly have control over the make up of the company

  38. Alexa Danielle Bresee

    September 3, 2018 at 3:04 pm

    the hostility towards women that permeates gaming culture

  39. Dane Ford

    September 3, 2018 at 3:15 pm

    I guess we disagree on what population we’re talking about.

    If we’re talking about representation in gaming compared to the population of the world (gamers vs. non-gamers), yes, you are correct. If we’re talking about representation among developers in the gaming world (gamers vs. game developers), you are incorrect. I had assumed, perhaps correctly perhaps not, that he was talking about game development since that’s what the panel and this whole reddit issue was about.

  40. Alexa Danielle Bresee

    September 3, 2018 at 3:17 pm

    I think i’m actually still correct when it comes to devs versus the general population of gamers, since there are far more female gamers than most poeple think. but I also think it was clear — he didn’t say in game development, he said in gaming

  41. Forte_EXE

    September 3, 2018 at 3:29 pm

    Please, that is nothing more than a myth. Like the majority has been saying; Everything here is about choice. A lot of women just chose not to enter the industry period. Also hostility goes both ways. You think men aren’t hostile against other men? IIRC over the course of gaming history never has been there a “no females allowed” public event. There ARE private events but again that goes both ways with men-only or female-only.

    Plus this is a company. You hire someone who fits the role that’s open. If a women is more qualified then hire her. If a man is more qualified then hire him. Hiring someone for the sake of “diversity” is just plain stupid. This is why blind hiring is a thing.

    tl;dr Everything is open to anyone. The industry just turned out this way because majority of women CHOSE not to study game dev and CHOSE not to enter the industry. And now they’re blaming men for the choices they’ve made themselves.

  42. Dane Ford

    September 3, 2018 at 3:46 pm

    I just looked at the data from Statista and you are indeed correct on both counts. I withdraw my arguments! I would venture to guess the majority of League gamers are predominately male, but overall gaming has shifted in the last decade.

  43. Dane Ford

    September 3, 2018 at 3:46 pm

    I just looked at the data from Statista and you are indeed correct on both counts. I withdraw my arguments! I would venture to guess the majority of League gamers are predominately male, but overall gaming has shifted in the last decade.

  44. es0terik

    September 3, 2018 at 4:26 pm

    And what is the systemic root cause of women outnumbering men 10 to 1 in nursing?

  45. Wookiee_hairem

    September 3, 2018 at 2:21 pm

    So how is the “problem” of overrepresentation in the player base solved by how many women/ LGBTQ folks are working there?

  46. Alexa Danielle Bresee

    September 3, 2018 at 3:06 pm

    i don’t understand how you’re misreading this — it is the over-representation of men in gaming that the quote is originally talking about. there being “90%” (i doubt that’s the actual number but for the sake of argument) men gamers *is the very problem being discussed*

  47. Wookiee_hairem

    September 3, 2018 at 3:19 pm

    Ok, how do you propose to to fix that player base problem? Force women to play games?

  48. RobotKittenLasers

    September 3, 2018 at 8:52 pm

    Speaking solely from personal experience and that of my female friends and family, I feel that, in general, the perspective on both gaming and coding as “geeky”, “dorky” and uncool is far more prevalent among girls and women these days than it is among boys and men.

    Around the time Halo and GTA: San Andreas came out, a social revolution of sorts slowly began in the male population, where being a gamer was suddenly no longer a stigma borne solely by social outcasts with no life, but slowly evolved into an acceptable hobby, and then into a common, downright popular one.

    In both my experience and those of people close to me, there was no similar major wave of change in the female population – sure, the Wii and smart phone games helped create a bit of an opening, but, as a whole, non non-casual core gaming continued to carry a distinctly negative connotation, something you had to put up with from your boyfriend, rather than something you would actually openly admit to enjoying yourself.

    It has definitely become more socially acceptable over time, but, as a whole, perception of gaming by a large percentage of the female population is still roughly 10 years behind where it is among males; I know many “closeted” female gamers who enjoy their hobby, but would never admit it to their friends, and are terrified of them finding out.

    Is this the only cause for lower reported numbers of female gamers? No. The world isn’t that simple, and rarely can any broad cultural trend be traced back to any individual or small interrelated group of factors. But I do believe it has contributed significantly. It’s a general cultural wall that pushes women away from gaming before they even get exposed to its subculture.

  49. Shadowvyper

    September 3, 2018 at 5:16 pm

    Easy fix stop supporting Riot and watch it crumble. I know I will.

  50. Wookiee_hairem

    September 3, 2018 at 5:22 pm

    citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.667.4530&rep=rep1&type=pdf

    Even the studies seeking to achieve gender parity acknowledge the difference in adoption rates, in interests, in skillset. The lit review above does a decent job of what I mean by that. While a noble goal, until a company takes a chance and has a decent payout on the other end in terms of female or co-ed aoption/sales it’s not really a problem I see getting addressed. It think it has more to do with that than the gaming community at large. There’s going to be trolls no matter what the distribution of gender representation is.

  51. Frosted Perfection

    September 3, 2018 at 9:26 pm

    This is one of those icky situations that I keep trying to work out and… ultimately I just think Riot really messed up. The big question for me is are these conferences actually designed and aimed at women and Non-Binary folk, as they put it, or did they just take the events they already had planned and gate them?

    While events that anyone can’t attend have always bothered me on one level, I’ve also seen people who have said they wouldn’t normally attend but did because it felt more inviting for various reasons. So basically they do work on at least some level, but the thing is those events were built from the ground up to be that. As opposed to this which seems to be normal convention stuff, except people who are really interested in it won’t be able to. Also there’s something I’ve never seen brought up that always kind of concerned me.

    Okay, so I’m on the genderqueer spectrum, kinda fluid, kinda non-binary, don’t much care about exact descriptors or sweat pronouns too much. Anyway with events like this that specifically exclude anyone, I always worry about getting “vetted” or people thinking I’m just “faking” to get in the conference, as some people have suggested doing. Has that ever been much of a problem with these kind of things, as while I’m glad these kind of events make at least some people more comfortable, but it always made me worry about judgement and such. Bit of a random aside, but I’ve never seen the matter brought up but I tend to be super self-conscious in public so it was the first thing I thought of.

    All that aside, yeah, I think Riot is making a knee jerk reaction and probably not thinking this through.

  52. Alex Campos

    September 3, 2018 at 9:31 pm

    Funny how this people never talk about waste collectors or dangerous occupations that are also “men” jobs. Never seen one sjw asking for more female waste collectors, soldiers and so on.

  53. Keichi Morisato

    September 3, 2018 at 10:34 pm

    thanks, i believe in treating people with respect as much as possible, which is something that has been lost on people on the internet sadly, and it has been brought out into the real world.

  54. Aritude

    September 3, 2018 at 10:54 pm

    I believe that gender neutrality is the direction we should all push for. Gender equality is unrealistic: you can’t expect every group of people to have a balanced composition of genders. The push for gender equality always seems to result in exclusion. Exclusion based on gender or race or other nebulous attributes is bad, and no one will ever convince me otherwise.

    This Froskurrin person doesn’t seem to understand that men are often explicitly excluded from events based on their gender. This is far from the first time. I’ve personally experienced it on several occasions in recent years. The real shitty thing is that if you call it out, people call you a misogynist. I feel discriminated against all the time, but I’m not allowed to say so because of my “white male privilege.”

    Also hello from Dtoid 😉

  55. Brian Taylor

    September 3, 2018 at 7:07 pm

    At a glance that it may seem that way. However what he is really saying is that men are privileged over women in the gaming industry because men out number women. He is equating number as the reason women aren’t more pronounced. Which is not true, it’s interest.

    He isn’t taking into account merit or interest which is what employment should be based on, not race or gender. Hiring based on gender, race and sexual orientation is not only against the law, but is punishable by lawsuit. Since no one has openly sued RIOT for this, I find it hard to believe that there is some sort of barrier keeping women out of the gaming industry. When you look at the data for what it is, the general consensus is that men are more interested than women in gaming.

    Women that genuinely have a passion and interest aren’t disadvantaged in the industry.

  56. doomrider7

    September 4, 2018 at 1:19 am

    Because being non-white and/or non cis-gender was illegal in this countries not too distant past. That’s why.

  57. Angelo Abela

    September 4, 2018 at 2:26 am

    Very balanced article. Well done.

  58. Jimmy

    September 3, 2018 at 10:34 pm

    lol reddit people…. bwahahaha!

  59. Alexa Danielle Bresee

    September 4, 2018 at 6:37 am

    the perception that it’s a feminine occupation. something we should fight against too

  60. Alexa Danielle Bresee

    September 4, 2018 at 6:39 am

    so you think all the reports of sexism within riot are just lies?

    also i don’t really get how you think it’s possible for this to just be women collectively making independent decisions that work out toward this trend without there being a root cause

  61. Alexa Danielle Bresee

    September 4, 2018 at 6:41 am

    no, but they could actively campaign for women to play their games and actively push back against sexism — which is what they’re doing, though clumsily

  62. Keichi Morisato

    September 4, 2018 at 6:29 am

    yo!
    also, i definitely agree, i am more concerned about everyone getting equal opportunity and meritocracy, rather than fill some nebulous gender or race quota that will never be enough for the people that push these things.

  63. Alexa Danielle Bresee

    September 4, 2018 at 6:38 am

    so you think all the reports of sexism within riot are just lies?

    also i don’t really get how you think it’s possible for this to just be women collectively making independent decisions that work out toward this trend without there being a root cause

  64. Ragnar Dragonfyre

    September 4, 2018 at 12:41 pm

    People who express this level of “progressive inclusiveness” have been proven time and time again to be the real misogynists.

    It’s a ruse to deflect from their own horrible personality traits… and it didn’t take long for someone at Riot to out themselves.

    Stop giving money to companies and people that behave this way. Men born today are not responsible for our father’s sins. It is not reasonable to ask that we stand aside so that reparations can be paid at the cost of our dreams. We only live one life and it is not reasonable for us to sacrifice it on the altar of equity.

    I often see talk about how white men have opportunities handed to them but I’ve only ever seen employment equity work the other way as a millennial and the favoritism towards females in the school system was even worse.

    Modern men believe in equal opportunities. Its been drummed into us since we stepped into school for the first time… but this is no longer about equality. Equity is a twisted subversion of what we were taught was fair and we shouldn’t stand for it.

  65. Ragnar Dragonfyre

    September 4, 2018 at 12:43 pm

    In Canada, employment equity still gives preferential hiring towards females in nursing despite men being the minority.

    The world has gone mad in its quest for equality. We hit the finish line some ways back and just decided to shift goal posts.

  66. Forte_EXE

    September 4, 2018 at 1:10 pm

    Riot may be the biggest sexist company there is. This event just adds one more proof to that.

    It’s implied in my statement which the root cause is the mentality of women towards game development. Majority just think it’s not for them and again CHOSE not to enter the field. Women are the ones making their own barrier from entering the business.

    You can compare it to building construction. Why do you think there’s little to no woman standing on a skyscraper beam? A lot of surveys out there point to that a lot of women just didn’t find it interesting and thus not a career choice. Thus the ratio gap between man and women in the field just continues growing. Same thing can be said for game development.

  67. eastyy

    September 4, 2018 at 3:46 pm

    I predict a Riot

  68. Vorile DeWise

    September 4, 2018 at 12:34 pm

    I am shocked into silence. What hateful, spiteful, disgusting rhetoric coming from Riot Games. Despicable behaviour in the most vile sense. I sincerely hope they lose a ton of money because of this. Sexist behaviour is NOT ok, Riot Games. Open discrimination is NOT ok, Riot Games.

    Enjoy criticism from every angle of the internet, and congratulations. You are the new sensation, and a brilliant example of bigotry and hatred, displayed for the world to see.

  69. Daniel Hilburn

    September 4, 2018 at 4:38 pm

    In the US, at least, employment discrimination is only illegal against protected classes, of which cis white males are not.

  70. Ragnar Dragonfyre

    September 4, 2018 at 12:41 pm

    People who express this level of “progressive inclusiveness” have been proven time and time again to be the real misogynists.

    It’s a ruse to deflect from their own horrible personality traits… and it didn’t take long for someone at Riot to out themselves.

    Stop giving money to companies and people that behave this way. Men born today are not responsible for our father’s sins. It is not reasonable to ask that we stand aside so that reparations can be paid at the cost of our dreams. We only live one life and it is not reasonable for us to sacrifice it on the altar of equity.

    I often see talk about how white men have opportunities handed to them but I’ve only ever seen employment equity work the other way as a millennial and the favoritism towards females in the school system was even worse.

    Modern men believe in equal opportunities. Its been drummed into us since we stepped into school for the first time… but this is no longer about equality. Equity is a twisted subversion of what we were taught was fair and we shouldn’t stand for it.

  71. Alex Hong

    September 4, 2018 at 9:56 pm

    Cut the excuses. Zenon’s comments are grossly inflammatory unbefitting of a professional. Sanjuro was arguably fired for less. Regardless of his personal opinions, Zenon should have considered the outcome of his comment before making it instead of adding more fuel to the fire. His behavior is simply unacceptable. A Riot employee resorting to offensive insults to the arguable majority of the community he works for. What do you expect?

  72. Vorile DeWise

    September 5, 2018 at 5:06 am

    I wonder if Riot made that Pax for Women/non-binary, but ALSO made a Pax for only men/binary

    Then both groups could be equally excluded/included. Just you know, consistent principles and all that. It would be silly of course, but at least they wouldnt be accused of exclusion, since they are equally terrible to both groups 😀

  73. Vorile DeWise

    September 5, 2018 at 5:08 am

    I think that statement is spot on. Some people think only one of those are true. Beliving both are bad is apperantly…. bad.

  74. disqus_GOTHZbVHu7

    September 5, 2018 at 8:48 am

    I think there are other demographics to take into consideration here too (for League). From my understanding this game is huge in places like Korea where the main gamer base is probably 90% male. It makes sense to pander to that base and not the Kathleen Kenndys who don’t spend a dime on your product.

  75. disqus_GOTHZbVHu7

    September 5, 2018 at 8:57 am

    I think there are other demographics to take into consideration here too (for League). From my understanding this game is huge in places like Korea where the main gamer base is probably 90% male. It makes sense to pander to that base and not the Kathleen Kenndys who don’t spend a dime on your product.

    I am a woman btw. I don’t have a business degree but I do understand common sense.

  76. DarrenR

    September 5, 2018 at 5:36 pm

    I’m going to assume that most of the people who are against the women only event are honestly clueless and try to explain. If there is only a $100 budget and Bob has $90 and Mary has $10, in order to make things equal we must take away $40 from Bob. Simple. In order to balance situations with limited resources you have to be unfair.

    How does this apply here? Almost all of gaming is male oriented. Most conventions are male oriented. Don’t believe me. How many mobile games are at PAX? Compare that to non-mobile game. Mobile games are where women play games and mobile games aren’t considered “real” games (To be fair there are some mobile game, I remember puzzles and dragons being there). Most games at pax are “core” (male centered) games consequently most events are going to be about those game. Hence most event are male-centered.

    In order to help towards balance Riot decided to take some events away from men. Will it be effective? probably not. Likely because they are trying to tackle a problem larger than one game company, or even one industry. However any male upset because they missed out on a few events is being petty.

  77. Jimus Russs

    September 6, 2018 at 11:05 am

    It is in fact a protected class, some people just don’t like to acknowledge that white men get the same legal protections because the ebil wite menz make them go REEEEE

  78. Julio Sotomayor

    September 6, 2018 at 11:46 am

    How do you get more women to play games then? Also: WHY is it necessary to FORCE women to play games if they aren’t?

  79. Daniel Hilburn

    September 7, 2018 at 12:06 am

    I appear to have been mistaken here. I did some research on this topic recently and somehow found some information (can’t remember where) which stated that hiring discrimination is okay as long as it is with the intention of giving more opportunities to “protected classes” (the article was meaning “non-majority groups”). In researching in response to your comment, I can’t find anything supporting this claim and, in fact, everything that I’ve found supports your point that everyone is a “protected class” because everyone is protected by the same anti-discrimination laws. I did find that it is not illegal to hire someone from a minority group over a majority-group candidate if they have the same qualifications, though (which is obvious, because it’s a tossup at that point).

    Anyways, thanks for pointing out my mistake. =)

  80. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 2:52 am

    at least some people have consistency… meanwhile riot seems to not like the non binary and female (cis or trans) that know that sexism, no matter what direction is shitty.

    http://archive.is/Vsuoo

  81. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 2:58 am

    where?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm8nBt9rQBo this study here disproves that.

    mabye people are hostile to you because you’re a sexist.

  82. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:01 am

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-false-science-of-implicit-bias-1507590908

    well yes. because the’re FEMINIST MEN. there’s a reason every abuser wears sheep’s clothing.

    New CDC data again finds as many (if not more) male victims of female rapists than female victims of male rapists. CDC continues to ignore its own shocking findings

    now please. check yourself and your bigotry cisfeminist/womanist/ chauvanist drivel.

  83. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:02 am

    oh my god swallow your tounge.

    The CDC (Center for Disease Control) recently released new findings from its NISVS (The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey). The NISVS is one of the most prestigious and widely quoted surveys on sexual violence in the U.S. It is a common source of the infamous “1 in 5 women are raped” statistic. It has also been rightfully criticized for using faulty survey methods to inflate its victimization numbers and intentionally downplaying its own findings on the prevalence of male victims.

    So far the NISVS has collected data for 2010, 2011 and 2012. NISVS found that between 2010-2012 an average of 1.2% (est. 1,473,000) American women per year experienced one or more attempted/completed rapes (NISVS 2010-2012 State Report, 18). However, the NISVS also found that between 2010-2012 an average of 1.5% (est. 1,715,000) American men reported being victims of one or more attempted/completed “made to penetrate” victimizations (25).

    The difference stands out more when you look at data for each year. Victimization rates between female rape victims and male “made-to-penetrate” victims were relatively comparable in 2010 and 2011 (a shocking finding by itself), but in 2012 the number female rape victims fell drastically while the number of male victims of “made to penetrate” went up. The NISVS shows an estimated 740,000 more male victims of “made to penetrate” than female victims of rape in 2012 (217, 222).

    “Made to penetrate” is defined as being forced to “sexually penetrate someone without the victim’s consent because the victim was physically forced (such as being pinned or held down, or by the use of violence) or threatened with physical harm, or when the victim was drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent” (17) [emphasis added]. Even though the NISVS refuses to define “made to penetrate” as “rape” (and thus excludes it from all its statistics on “rape”), it fits reasonable (and many modern legal) definitions of rape.

  84. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:03 am

  85. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:05 am

    https://youtu.be/9MxqSwzFy5w

    what you think doesn’t matter because it’s not the evidence.

  86. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:06 am

    what’s wrong with the player base? they railed against sexism and the sex abuse of the past.

    https://youtu.be/9MxqSwzFy5w

  87. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:08 am

    yeah i’m a gay man and i see the hypocracy.

  88. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:11 am

    true. but now a days that affirmative action attitude does harm those very protected classes.

    it was necessary in the 60s, but now the good intentions of a plan back then are paving the road to hell. ironic isn’t it?

    but it’s a lucrative business to point the finger even if there’s nothing wrong.

  89. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:12 am

    but the idea that it is systemic malace is a pie in the sky affair. that is like saying “god did it” to create the universe.

  90. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:18 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5Emfqtu7Ws

    hi. i’m reality. riot is doign this.

  91. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:18 am

  92. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:19 am

    yes, some of the more reasonable sjws have some good ideas.

    but yeah, good intentions pave the road to hell. and worse yet. snakes and bigots will always hide behind the shield of virtue to spread their venom.

  93. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:20 am

    no. you are absolutely a liar and support sexism to fight sexism.

    please. look at the reality

    https://youtu.be/9MxqSwzFy5w

  94. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:21 am

    yeah, i’d like it for to not be drawn on gender lines but … biology.

  95. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:21 am

    https://youtu.be/9MxqSwzFy5w not this feminist. she agrees

  96. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:22 am

    … that’s a bit scathing

    https://youtu.be/9MxqSwzFy5w

  97. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:22 am

  98. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:22 am

    so you’re abusively stonewalling other oppinons, you bigot.

    https://youtu.be/9MxqSwzFy5w

  99. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:24 am

    wehen the non binary and cis and trans women call out riot on their terrible stuff. … and riot has a history of sex abuse toward women.

    it’s to make them look better than they really are.

    https://youtu.be/9MxqSwzFy5w

  100. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:24 am

    go back to reset era

  101. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:24 am

    https://youtu.be/9MxqSwzFy5w

    sexism does not fight sexism

  102. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 2:51 am

    “sealion” oh my that old chestnut of a word. what better way to stone wall someone calling you out on sexism and thinking that will fight sexism.

    what better way for the abusive people at riot to continue to abuse

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ca5c2f95e1d1b3e6b1ed8b641d0ae20f3373e2f85e476d69edd89d0fc3530206.jpg

    also this is an archive of how riot’s abuse specialist was accused of abuse by thier (now former) fiance.
    http://archive.is/Vsuoo

  103. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 2:53 am

    lovely… except it got better and more professional when men got in to it in the late 90s. and has been better for it.

  104. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 2:53 am

    no. because that’s has to be proven first.

    “i’m not saying it’s aliens but it’s patriarch- i mean aliens”

    take a look https://youtu.be/Rm8nBt9rQBo

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1dc637d7e626f3f21862e4323dc46c07c33f59692fab44c809537281ba4f2cbe.jpg

  105. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:06 am

    https://youtu.be/9MxqSwzFy5w

    that’s not true.

    i have provided evidence. learn and grow

  106. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:06 am

    it doesn’t. that’s quotas.

  107. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:07 am

    by being sexist in kind?

    yes we’ll fix the problem by adding gas to the fire and using bogus statistics from anti science women.

    https://youtu.be/9MxqSwzFy5w

  108. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:13 am

    yet they are terrible. the leaks from riot show very clearly there is sexism

    and calling the reddit threads full of garbage makes you a god damn hypocrite.
    http://archive.is/Vsuoo

    think of it. they have a history of abuse… and they want to get women in there… alone with them.

  109. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:16 am

    and calling the reddit threads full of garbage makes you a god damn hypocrite.
    http://archive.is/Vsuoo

    think of it. they have a history of abuse… and they want to get women in there… alone with them.

    https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/09/reddit-admins-censors-slack-leaks-of-riot-games-employees-supporting-sexism/68166/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5Emfqtu7Ws

  110. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:16 am

  111. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:20 am

    depends on the genre. https://youtu.be/9MxqSwzFy5w

  112. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:21 am

    … yes because we must dwell in the past.

    https://youtu.be/9MxqSwzFy5w

  113. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:22 am

    https://youtu.be/9MxqSwzFy5w no. that’s not the case at all.

  114. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:22 am

  115. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:23 am

    no, sexism does not fight sexism https://youtu.be/9MxqSwzFy5w

  116. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:25 am

  117. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:28 am

    is it? https://youtu.be/fhjoL4mMMVU

    there are claims that science is sexist to women. but no. that’s not the case. not at all. you don’t have to take my word or this video’s word for it. just follow the abuse carried out by female chauvanists.

  118. mizter zebra

    September 8, 2018 at 3:33 am

    doesn’t it make you sick? it’s like bigotry of low expectations.

  119. Keichi Morisato

    September 8, 2018 at 4:36 am

    some people like to say that nature and evolution doesn’t play a part in gender expression, but to say that, completely denies what science has found in all animals, and us humans are little better than any other animal, we just managed to create more advanced society that allows one to move away traditional gender expressions.

  120. RebelPhoenix17

    September 8, 2018 at 5:57 pm

    While this would at least allow all parties to be represented, there would inevitably be people that start the discussion that this option would be segregation. The goal is for all to be included and feel equal; keeping the population separated will not create a feeling of equality, and could very easily result in one group being clearly marginalized.

  121. RebelPhoenix17

    September 8, 2018 at 5:56 pm

    While this would at least allow all parties to be represented, there would inevitably be people that start the discussion that this option would be segregation. The goal is for all to be included and feel equal; keeping the population separated will not create a feeling of equality, and could very easily result in one group being clearly marginalized.

  122. Vorile DeWise

    September 9, 2018 at 11:43 am

    Very good. Yes, that is what would happen.
    Segregating people like this would be really bad, still better than what they are currently doing though.

    We should all be just gamers. Leave shallow things behind. They can have an inclusion Pax, invite anyone who calls themselves gamer, and have a open, welcoming atmosphere, just a great time for everyone.

  123. cyrylthewolf

    September 9, 2018 at 5:26 pm

    #FirstWorldProblems #DramaQueens #TheLotOfThem

  124. DarrenR

    September 14, 2018 at 4:47 pm

    “mister zebra: except it got better and more professional when men got in to it”
    And you just destroyed any credibility your arguments might have had.

  125. mizter zebra

    September 14, 2018 at 5:12 pm

  126. mizter zebra

    September 14, 2018 at 5:12 pm

    of course it is becuase the people who made it can’t provide proof. and then end up being the sexist shit heads.

    ABUSERS PROJECT.

  127. mizter zebra

    September 14, 2018 at 5:14 pm

    it’s IMPLIED that there must be a number of women or something is unequal. and that we have to force them to look good. or we’ll be called bigots when that’s not the case.

  128. mizter zebra

    September 14, 2018 at 5:16 pm

    eeeh i dunno. that seems to deny the very biology you tout. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f23491c007a34ba00a10893ec4e9f4a0b6eb8718784fb678dbe1ff4d032733ed.png

    and even then. this isn’t the question of hiring seminars. but a bunch of abusers that hide behind “gender equality feminism”

    just so they can be alone with the women https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5Emfqtu7Ws

  129. mizter zebra

    September 14, 2018 at 5:16 pm

  130. DarrenR

    September 14, 2018 at 5:12 pm

    1) Your video doesn’t address any of the point I made
    2) Offering a marginalize class access is not sexism.

    The video compares Oprah to to video games, let’s zoom in on that for a moment. Are most talk show female? Nope there are a wide variety of talk shows, that spread across all demographic. Are talk show awards only centered around female shows? Nope Jon Stewart and Oprah Winfrey both competed for the Critic’s Choice award. Do male focused talk show think they are in a entirely different genre than female talks shows. No again, they are both considered talks shows.

    What about video games? No. For some reason mobile games aren’t games yet mobile games are where the women play. When an entire culture looks down on the female-favored section of games, that is sexist.

  131. mizter zebra

    September 14, 2018 at 5:12 pm

    because that’s the hot topic money maker

  132. mizter zebra

    September 16, 2018 at 3:03 am

    wow. way to miss all of what i was saying. please. take your rapist apologizing bs. elsewhere.

    all the “male feminists” and “Anti-Gamergaters”
    all turned out to be rapists and sex offenders.

    https://twitter.com/i/moments/851713200537993216

    and no. it’s not about female inclusion if you’re trying to talk down to the women and trans people that call you out on your BS and past sexual misconduct record… as a company.

    but go off i guess. i’m gay. so i know a thing or two. and with what i see and all i’ve shown, you still defend abusers. all because you want to LOOK good instead of BE good.

    take the L
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f23491c007a34ba00a10893ec4e9f4a0b6eb8718784fb678dbe1ff4d032733ed.png

  133. mizter zebra

    September 16, 2018 at 3:05 am

    actually, yes. you’re trying ot find an answer when there is none.

    in fact, women shun other women who play games. there maybe something systemic but contrary to what you’re trying to imply.

  134. mizter zebra

    September 16, 2018 at 3:07 am

    i hope the reports of sex abuse aren’t fabricated. i mean can you really trust riot to be helping when they seem to be leading in sex abuse coverups? can you really trust them alone with women?

  135. mizter zebra

    September 16, 2018 at 3:09 am

    this is the most ill informed comment . ever.

    you are making a straw man.

    you’re a “whiteknight” still thirsting after women as you defend abusers. holy crap you are UNHINGED.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6fe35eda1333b8542885c0884854efa2d900cdda1885a805113dc98485ea7038.jpg

  136. mizter zebra

    September 16, 2018 at 3:11 am

    this behavior is nothing new.

    https://twitter.com/i/moments/851713200537993216

    we’ve seen it before with abusers. they will always project.

    those that stand up against sexism and racism are ALWAYS the most racist. it’s the pseudo science of implicit bias testing that makes people more racist.

  137. mizter zebra

    September 16, 2018 at 3:11 am

  138. White Knight

    September 21, 2018 at 3:29 am

    I’m late because I don’t use disqus. But let me tell you something, I’m not in North America. This “systematic root of men keeping women out” is bullshit here. I’m Latin, and even as a latin person in my university women STILL did not get into coding.

    So as a minority, I’m telling you that YES even outside of NA and the american “misogyny” a big part of women just avoid certain jobs. Coding has not crowded out women, they just don’t join. What do you want US to do then??? Force them?

    So in the end:
    >you think that women are collectively choosing not to play these games as much or to learn coding as much, just … for no real reason?

    Exactly, they just don’t want to join the field of work. If you like something you will learn it, women who learned coding enjoy it because they like it. They wouldn’t be coding if they didn’t like it, that goes for anyone regardless of gender.

    If you DON’T LIKE something WHY would you work in that field? The answer is you don’t. A big part of women don’t like this field, so there’s very few women. It doesn’t take a genius to figure that out. Just go and attend comp sci classes in universities.

  139. disqus_PlFU7UlghH

    January 5, 2019 at 12:33 am

    RebelPhoenix17 important

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